Dr Naomi Rosedale - Student Design for Learning - Uru Manuka Leaders of Learning

 

Today with the Uru Manuka Leaders of Learning we had a Google Meet with Dr Naomi Rosedale about student design for learning.

What is a DLO?

We had a discussion in pairs about the definition of a DLO.  How does a student digital learning object compare to a teacher created digital learning object? 

These are the definitions we came up with.

The definition from research:

..." digital entity or content object using ‘different media modalities (and often interactivity) to represent data, information, reality, concepts and ideas...designed to afford educational reuse." (Churchill 2007 Pg 484)

The re-use part is important - it can teach others, extend learning for others (like a game or a simulation).

This was really interesting. 85% of DLOs are slideshows, 6% are screencastify, 4% video, 2% are animations. Do students get socialised into using slideshows because they see teachers using them (all the time) - we need to promote other things and teach them how to use other tools.

We talked about the five modes of communication - visual, aural, gestural, spatial, linguistic - and the combination of these is multimodal.

Student Created DLO definition: a process wherein students learn as they design for the learning of others (eg designing for teaching and knowledge building), and as a reusable digital entity (or object) designed with the affordances of different media modalities (eg. textual, audio, visual, spatial, kinaesthetic).

Rosedale, Jesson & McNaughton, 2019

Reflection on this...

Student design for learning part - wherein students learn as they design for the learning of others (eg designing for teaching and knowledge building)...

Potential for learning from - ...a reusable digital entity …. designed with the affordances of different media modalities (eg. textual, audio, visula, spatial, kinaesthetic).

Often student created DLO are all the same - using a template or too much teacher direction

How can we use a rubric to nudge the expectations of a DLO. Rubric needs to include design features which will improve the DLO - the features will help others learn when they watch the DLO.

What does student design for learning mean or what does student multimodal learning mean?

Students consider the audience that they are creating their DLO for with the specific purpose of teaching someone else what they have learnt so that the audience can learn from it too. Part of considering the audience is thinking about the best tool for the job and how to make it engaging for their audience - with sight, sound, and motion.

Soundbite

Does recording your voice have positive effects on learning in the classroom?  Over time children will become more confident and better with talking on their DLO.  Will it improve oral language?

Things to consider - MAPIC

Great session - lots of thought provoking content!

Session Nine: Revision

What did I learn that increased my understanding of Manaiakalani kaupapa and pedagogy?

Ubiquitous (tricky to say but very important) learning was our main focus today from Dorothy.

A positive to come out of the Covid lockdown for my Year 5/6 students is that there is a sudden realisation that learning can happen at home - as if it an amazing suggestion!

This is truely mind blowing for me as when I was involved in the introduction of the Maniakalani Outreach journey at South Hornby School 5 years ago this was one of the biggest pluses for our students. Back then we had a lot of students who continued with their learning outside the 9-3 time zone but it doesn't seem to be the case now (as I have just moved back to the Year 5/6 age group).

I wonder why that is? Is it because there are too many other things that our students are doing on their devices out of school hours that the suggestion that they could continue with their learning seems completely outrageous to them. It was only as we returned after Covid lockdown that their was a mindshift in the students as they realised that they could continue with their learning outside of school hours. I will continue to promote this as the year goes on.

The school day may be 9am-3pm but technology has made it possible for students to learn outside of the school day, and rewindable learning can help with this. The use of learning sites and screencastify clips can direct learning when students are at home.

The benefits are now able to be proven with data from the Summer Learning Journey. Students who participate in the Summer Learning Journey do not fall back in Reading and Writing as much as their peers.

These school holidays the Uru Manuka Cluster are trying a Winter Learning Journey. We want to use the shift and momentum from the Covid lockdown to keep the ubiquitous learning going over the break.

What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow as a professional?

I loved our DFI Demo Slam that we concluded our 9 week DFI journey with. Lots of new things to explore. It was great to do this on the last week of term so I can see what I can add to my programme when planning for the new term. I have already had a play with the Freddie Meter, although I may need to keep practising to improve my score!

I am interested to find out more about the Online Practicum, being an Associate Teacher in an online world.

What did I learn that could be used with my learners?  

One of the new tools I will use straight away with my learners is Auto Draw. I am really excited to see what they think of it, especially my students who are not very confident at drawing. Here is a screencastify to show how simple it is to use.

What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow in my personal life?

I did not sit my Google exam today - I plan to sit it in the first week of the holidays when I am in the right head space and well rested after this mammoth term.

We were asked to reflect on these 3 questions relating to our Covid lockdown experience:

• What are you most proud of (in your own teaching)? I was really proud of how our whole staff, students and families coped with online learning. Some of the students we least expected absolutely excelled in an online learning environment. I loved how we were able to continue to use our schoolwide reward system during lockdown as well. We were fortunate that we had spent the weekend prior to the announcement to get ready just in case. Many of my colleagues in higher decile schools were not as ready as we were, and this is thanks mainly to being a Manaiakalani Outreach school.

• What do you regret? It may seem silly but my biggest regret was not taking home one of our flash teacher (office) chairs from our learning space. Within a week my back was killing me from sitting at the dinning room table. So I did a bit of a MacGyver and made a standing table with the ironing board and a plastic crate. That did the trick until my back got used to my new normal.

• What will you be taking forward into the new "era" of schooling? I am really promoting the ubiquitous learning and I have a few students who have continued post lockdown with their learning after school or in the weekend. Our blogging has sadly slowed down again too so I am making a conscious effort to include time for this in my planning. I also think it is really important that a lot of our Junior school teachers continue to use digital tools now that we are back in the school setting. They did such an amazing job during lockdown and underwent huge personal learning about digital tools and technology, and I want to encourage them to continue with this.

Session Eight: Computational Thinking

What did I learn that increased my understanding of Manaiakalani kaupapa and pedagogy?

Today Dorothy talked about the "Empowered" aspect of the Manaiakalani kaupapa. Technology is not just a tool - it is a tool that can change lives. This made us think about the Covid Lockdown and how students were disempowered if they didn't have technology and connectivity. Technology should be transforming the way we learn.

The word empowered is favoured to use rather than agency. The word agency has bad connotations for some families. Factors to considered when thinking about - yearly family income (money is empowering), health, housing, etc.

What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow as a professional?

Kerry ran a session introducing us to computational thinking and Hangarau Matihiko. It is all about building confidence in the future in an online world - when and where to use a specific digital technology for a task, and being able to create their own digital technologies solutions.

We looked at the two new areas to the technologies curriculum.

We looked at the Design And Developing Digital Outcomes, and Computational Thinking (Programme fundamentals and elements of programming). Don't let the technical jargon be off putting but we need to use these words with the students so they are exposed prior to this getting more difficult in high school.

Computational Thinking - Progress Outcomes decoded for learners - this is really good as it has everything in "kid speak" and it is simple to follow.

What did I learn that could be used with my learners?  

Coding - absolutely loved our sessions looking a coding today. Great to have the time to explore and play on different coding websites, like Lightbots, Studio.Code, Kodable. I have now added a sub-page to our team learning site with different coding links for the students.

This is some of my exploring on Lightbots:

Went to a session on Scratch with Latham. I have never used Scratch before, and am now thinking about how I can incorporate coding into my programme.

This is what I created on Scratch.

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What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow in my personal life?

Gerhard ran a session this morning about the future of technology and what it means for our tamariki, and we looked at what the 10 breakthrough technologies are. We did a little activity on Moral Machine - a platform for gathering human perspective on moral decisions made by machine intelligence, like self driving cars. We had some moral dilemmas and had to decide whether passengers or pedestrians would be killed. Here are my results.

Let's hope they don't use my results for any important decisions.

Looking forward to many hours sitting with my students working through some of the new coding websites I have added to our learning site.

Session Seven: Devices

What did I learn that increased my understanding of Manaiakalani kaupapa and pedagogy?

Dorothy talked to us about the Cybersmart aspect of Manaiakalani today. We need to use powerful, positive and proactive language when talking about being cybersmart. We are putting our kids out there on the world wide web and they need protecting.

Maniakalani's cybersmart curriculum covers a lot - Smart Footprint, Smart Relationships, Smart Learners, Smart Media, Smart Surfing, Smart and Legal, Smart Money, Smart Values, Smart Teachers, Smart Parents, Smart Teens. The first 3 (Smart Footprint, Smart Relationships, and Smart Learners) are revisited every year.

I really liked the notion that when a child slips up - make it a learning opportunity rather than coming down to heavy handed.

I need to remind our Junior teachers that it is important for our 5 and 6 years olds to see their teachers blogging (in a supported online presence) so as they move through the school they are developing their cybersmart knowledge before they have their own blogs.

What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow as a professional?

As the Leader of Learning I am often challenged by parents about why little Johnny can't bring grandma's old clunky laptop to school to use so the sessions on why Manaiakalani use chromebooks and iPads as the preferred tools was good. I think it's great that we are not a BYOD school and appreciate the problems with equity that we would have in our school.

I loved this...

I really enjoyed the Deep Dig session on the student chromebook - it is good that I know how it works. Unsure why I have never actually had a play on one before.

What did I learn that could be used with my learners?  

I love using Hapara (and even keep an eye on things when I am working from home on my DFI days). My team regularly monitor our student's emails for unusual activity - like emails from instagram or Tiktok, that our Y5-6 lovelies have signed up to using their school email accounts. We have also discovered some websites that we have talked to our Manaiakalani facilitator about blocking due to age restrictions and chat rooms.

Although it was interesting using a student chromebook for our Digital Dig session, I found using a chromebook frustrating - it was slower than my laptop, the scrolling is different, etc. It was good to learn more about some of the short cut tools as I haven't taught Y5-6 before.

The session with Explain Everything was a good refresher. I haven't used it with Y5-6 students yet but I have used it with the Juniors. I need to make an effort to use it and I think it would be ideal to use for our Uru Manuka cluster focus on "extended learning discussions" as the students could record their discussions in Reading about a text (with a photo from the text on the page) or in Maths discussing what strategy they used to solve a problem.

This is my explore session with Explain Everything:

Our create session today was linked to our cybersmart learning this morning. We looked at some cybersmart lessons and I focused on keyword searches. It was great to think about how simple it can be to slot the cybersmart ideas into other learning areas. I created this using screencastify to explain the lesson on keyword searches and how I would use this in my teaching and learning.

What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow in my personal life?

I think integrating the use of screencastify and Explain Everything more in my teaching and learning would be helpful to improve my capability and workflow.

I am looking forward to sharing some Explain Everything knowledge with our Junior teachers.

Session Six: Enabling Access - Sites

What did I learn that increased my understanding of Manaiakalani kaupapa and pedagogy?

Today we covered "Connected" - one of the original Manaiakalani goals from the beginning when they wanted students to connect with an authentic audience.

We have all lived and breathed the Manaiakalani kaupapa during our online teaching and learning in the Covid-19 lockdown. One of the biggest learnings from this was to "limit the links" - the less clicks the better for students to navigate their way around our learning sites to get to their learning. We were in a fortunate position where we had time to update our school website to have the up-to-date links for each learning hub learning site and blog.

Connect also refers to the support we receive from our fantastic Manaikalani facilitators. We have been very lucky at South Hornby to have Mark Maddren as our first facilitator, and now have Kelsey Morgan. Schools and teachers are supported to connect with students and each other. We enjoy our support from our facilitator - staff meetings, in class support, leaders of learning professional learning group meetings, our cluster Uru Manuka site, etc. One of the best things recently has been the cluster session for all new staff to the cluster prior to the school year beginning to immerse them in the Learn Create Share philosophy and introduce them to what Maniakalani is all about. It is great to target the whole group of teachers from various schools in both clusters in Christchurch.

The four elements work together to make the kaupapa work and function in our community.

What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow as a professional?

The Deep Dive session with VIcki (Evaluating Class Sites) was beneficial in that it really focused on the visual appeal and user experience of learning sites (what works well and what doesn't work well). It was good to have time to look at other people's sites and look at those two areas.

This led on nicely to Gerhard's Chalk & Talk session on Leading Learning using a Google Site.

Woolf Fisher's 5 Affordances should be reflected in our learning sites as well -

• engagement
• teaching conversations
• cognitive challenge
• visibility
• scaffolding

Venessa's session about Blog List - Sidebar Gadgets was good (although it now adds to my "to do" list). I will add this to my home class student's blogs, and then show my Y4-6 teachers how they can then do it to their students as they all have admin rights to their blogs - I am not going to volunteer to do it for them.

What did I learn that could be used with my learners?  

One of the most useful things we learnt today was "limit the clicks" - make sure your learning site is easy for students to navigate with 3 clicks maximum.

It was fantastic to have the huge session in our Bubble groups to explore each other's sites and provide feedback to each of them. Having the time to then set goals on our action plan and tick them off was great. My goal was to check the visibility of content on our hub learning site - using an incognito window to check hub site to make a list of what was not visible; change sharing settings on documents so they are now visible; do any updating to the learning site that needed attention. This was all achieved - it was great to have the time to do this. As teachers we are "time poor" and I appreciate having the time today to get this done.

What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow in my personal life?

Anything that is going to save me time in my professional life has to be beneficial in my personal life.

Session Five: Collaborate - Sites

What did I learn that increased my understanding of Manaiakalani kaupapa and pedagogy?

Today Dorothy discussed visible teaching and learning - either you can see learning or you can't. Part of visibility is removing barriers. Dorothy mentioned some schools who sent pages of passwords home for lockdown which made things tricky for parents home schooling. We are very fortunate under the Manaiakalani umbrella to use blogging as it makes learning visible. Using our learning sites also makes learning accessible and visible.

I have created and use learning sites for many years, and I even have my curriculum vitae on a Google Site. This is our current learning site for our Year 5-6 space. This is our team blog. In my new role as Assistant Principal this year I am not responsible for a team so I am in more of an advisory role to other team leaders in regards to their learning sites and blogs. Compared to many of my friends who teach at other schools around Christchurch, we were in a perfect position to seamlessly transition to home learning in the Covid-19 lockdown. I was really thankful that our low decile school came up trumps compared to their Decile 9 and 10 schools (secretly smiling on the inside!)

What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow as a professional?

Although I knew a little about multi modal learning, the session with Kerry was a great refresher for me, especially now that I am teaching Year 5-6 students (coming from 5 years in Year 0-1).

I loved the YouTube clip relating window dressing to the home page of your learning site (like it is a shop window). It needs to entice the learners in like a shop window. If we can hook the learner in, draw the student into learning and make it exciting, it makes the task of teaching them easier.

The key aspects are - engagement, personalised learning, accelleration and empowerment.

What did I learn that could be used with my learners?  

I have a lot of experience creating and using Google Sites but I didn't know about hidden pages - this will be great to hide future planning from my eager beavers who rush ahead!

I had seen the multi modal spreadsheet before when I was teaching Year 0-1 students so it was good to revisit this now I am teaching older children, and this will be something I will definitely be using in my Reading programme moving forward. Although, I will admit that I would use Google Slides (embedded in our learning site) to organise the learning rather than a learning site just for this.

In my small group session with Mark on Hoaxes I created a learning site on Hoaxes. Mark showed me how to voice record (myself reading a text) and embed in the learning site. I will use (and share) this with my team. I am interested to see the reactions about Italy's secret pasta gardens!

What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow in my personal life?

Anything that is going to make the process of planning less time consuming and easier is going to be beneficial to me. Teachers need to do more sharing rather than recreating the wheel each time themselves. Plan smarter - not harder!

When I have spare time I need to refresh my curriculum vitae Google Site and make sure I remember the shop window analogy and hook any prospective employer (not that I am looking at the moment).

I am also keen to try out Paul's suggestion that you can solve a maze by keeping your left hand on the wall the whole way through!

Session Four: Dealing with Data

What did I learn that increased my understanding of Manaiakalani kaupapa and pedagogy? 

Dorothy told us all about the SHARE component of Learn Create Share.  We are born to share, it's an instinct or compulsion.  We share - food, fishing stories, successes, failures, wins, joys, loss, tears, ideas, friends, achievements, vision, goals...

The invention of social media in 2005 allowed sharing and communication to become more accessible.  Things went viral - Facebook, Twitter, Bebo, YouTube, etc.

This was a great quote from Dorothy:

There is a magnetic attraction for our children to have an audience to share and this was then able to be used in education.  Before sharing had been constrained by time, place, people, etc.  Pre 2005 our audience was one another, the class, the school, and the local community.  Sharing in the digital age adds the ability to share globally.

Pre 2005 the audience was a compulsory audience.  After social media the audience became authentic - this is how we can share as connected learners.

What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow as a professional? 

A great Hapara hot tip from Gerhard on dragging a child to the top of the list so you can find them easily and monitor them.  In my team we use the group function to organise our 79 students.

The session on MyMaps was great - I can see it will be really helpful for things like measuring our cross country course around our grounds.  It would also be good to use at the start of the year as part of our Pepeha - where are you from unit.

Just this week I have learnt how to freeze columns and rows on spreadsheets, which has been awesome.  I have taught myself most of my spreadsheet skills so to learn some short cuts is helpful.  We use spreadsheets a lot as we use them for our planning templates, keeping track of our school wide PB4L reward tickets, and obviously assessment data.  Lots of useful hints and tips learnt with Gerhard - protecting sheets, getting the sparklines, cropping sheets, inserting check boxes, splitting names, and using a task tracker.  I love the idea of using a task tracker to track student blog posts or comments made on others blogs where they insert the hyperlink to the post or comment that they made.  I also will try the pixel art using spreadsheets to create art - the kids will love it, especially my gaming boys!

What did I learn that could be used with my learners? 

I have been using Google Forms in my programme during the Covid lockdown with a poem and comprehension activity.  Venessa has now shown me how to add the answer key and assign points for correct answers.  This will be a great time saver as previously I had to do that on the spreadsheet each time a child submitted their answers.  This one of the activities the students asked if they could continue to do now that we are back at school.

Here is the Google Form which I adapted today to make into a quiz with answer key and scoring.  Feel free to have a go at it!

Looking forward to trying the pixel art using Google spreadsheets to create art - the kids will love it, especially my gaming boys!

I love the notion of taking a screenshot of each student's blog overview stats for them to see.  This would be great at the moment after lockdown as the number of blog posts generally increased (for the majority of students.). Great ideas for how to do this and templates on these two links - a student and a teacher.  This would be great to do with our Year 6 students at the beginning of the school year as part of our Statistics Maths unit as they will have 2 full years of having their own blog and hopefully so good data on them.

I chose one of my Year 6 students and looked at their blog posts over the last 3 years.  Amazing to see the difference in lockdown.  This was a student who absolutely loved home learning, averaging 3 blog posts per day.




What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow in my personal life?

I will use lots of the spreadsheet tips in my role as Club Secretary for the local rugby club - for our database and registrations.

Session Three: Media

What did I learn that increased my understanding of Manaiakalani kaupapa and pedagogy?

Dorothy led us through a session on the Create aspect of Learn Create Share. This was great to go over just as we have come out of the Covid-19 lockdown as both our learners and many adults showed so much creativity. Whether it was family TikTok videos, school staff YouTube videos or students videoing themselves doing science experiences for their home learning. The digital aspect was essential to capture all the "Create" and it allowed it to be shared with whanau who were not in our bubbles.

The quote from the Life Long Kindergarten group website was very important to keep in the front of our mind. Their ultimate goal is - "a world full of playfully creative people, who are constantly inventing new possibilities for themselves and their communities." Surely, this must be our goal as educators!

Something else that stuck with me was the quote from Woolf Fisher related to the tasks provided by teachers whose students are showing accelerated learning - "The tasks were designed to generate thinking and allowed for student collaboration and choice in learning and creating."

What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow as a professional?

Gerhard's session on YouTube was really beneficial for me. I already had a YouTube channel with about 25 videos I have created over the past 7 years. So now I have tweaked all the settings. I was very surprised to see that I have 38 subscribers - who knew!? Now I know how to create playlists, I have created 2 so far - one for writing prompts (I like to use animated short videos for writing prompts) and one for our hub singing (songs with lyrics).

Interesting reflection, is now that I am in a digital class again I haven't used YouTube yet this year to do any "Create" - so that is a short term goal. This might coincide nicely with us wanting to record our hub assemblies this term (rather than a whole school assembly), as we could use YouTube live streaming and post it later on. I like the fact it would be going straight on to YouTube rather than me having to get it from my phone/camera onto my Drive and then onto our blogs.

What did I learn that could be used with my learners?  

I use Google Drawings quite a lot to make things for our learning site. Even though I am pretty familiar with it I got lots of little tips from Vicki's session. I usually download as a jpeg to put on blogs or sites rather than embedding, so I can try this now. I like the tips about changing the shape of an image and replacing an image. I also did not realise that if I double clicked in a shape I could type text, I usually add a text box and then group the two together. Great time saver!

My Getting Creative session with Venessa on Pick-a-Path stories was great. I am really looking forward to teaching my students how to do this. In my create time I quickly created a little quiz about contractions (which I will embed below). I am looking forward to seeing how creative my Writing group students can be with pick-a-path stories.

What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow in my personal life?

If I happen to go to school (out of school hours) I like to listen to music while I work so I will be able to create my own playlist of songs to listen to rather than listen to already created playlists from others.

I found the Deep Dive that Kent ran informative, although fast paced. In my live outside of school I am involved with the local rugby club and using live streaming is something we have talked about as a committee but not get ventured into. I am also a passionate sports/action photographer, and I would love to have a drone, and a gimble for that matter too.


This is my About Me that I created when we looked at Google Draw.

Session Two: Workflow

What did I learn that increased my understanding of Manaiakalani kaupapa and pedagogy?

Today we began by looking at the pedagogy underpining Manaiakalani - Learn Create Share, with our focus today being Learn. Learn is defined as accessing and engaging with existing knowledge.
Dorothy talked about:
Recognise
Amplify
Turbocharge
Effective Practice (in the digital world for our learners)
I really liked the phrase in her slideshow Great Teaching + Digital Affordances = Acceleration

What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow as a professional?

Much of today's content (Google Meets, Gmail, Google Calendar) I felt pretty confident with already. I have very very fortunate to have had some great professional development in the past and some great Manaiaklani facilitators (Mark Maddren and Kelsey Morgan) at my school making sure that we are all up to date.

I found the session that Dorothy ran on Google Keep as I had only really had some sandpit time with this before and haven't really used it yet. I particularly like the grab image text function. That will certainly change now.

One of my colleagues who was in the Term 1 DFI cohort had already shared Tobi Tab Manager with my team, and although I set it up at the time, I haven't got in a regular habit of using it.

What did I learn that could be used with my learners?  

I am already enjoying using the Chrome Extension Nod - where the students can raise their hand, or give a thumbs up in the Google Meet. I have had this pushed out to all our students chromebooks late last week. I am interested to look into the Dualless Chrome Extension, where you can see your grid view while presenting. Usually I use a split screen so that I can see the students.

Something that has become evident during our Covid online learning is that we need to spend some time with our students focusing on blogging - making a quality blog post, commenting on others' blogs and replying to comments people make on their blog posts.

What did I learn that could improve my confidence, capability or workflow in my personal life?

Love the notion of using Google Keep for shopping lists and sharing it with the other people in my household so they can add to the list. Also love the fact that you always have the list with you - I have lost count on how many times I get the the supermarket only to realise I have forgotten my list.

Loved the little timesaver that Gerhard shared - when you enter Google document names into the omi bar and you can open them without having to search for them via your Drive.

Today's Create Task:

We needed to choose a student blog post to use for our task. Venessa then put myself, Ravina and Gemma into a small group. We created a Google Meet on our Google Calendar and invited the others in our group. When then held our Google Meet one at a time to discuss the student blog we had chosen. We needed to present our screen to the others in the meet and record it.

When discussing the student blog we focused on these 3 questions:

1. What was the teaching design behind this post? (Deliberate act of teaching)
2. What was the learner's response? (Post content)
3. Who responded to the post and how did it support the learning experience or contribute more to the learning of the child?

I chose Joshua's blog post about making a smoothie - http://tpsjoshuan.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-josh-smoothie.html

During our Covid online teaching I am holding 3 Google Meets per day, so the Google Calendar and Google Meet aspects were very familiar to me now. We record each Google Meet and post on our learning site for rewindable learning for our students to access. I just hate my facial expressions I have on the thumbnail of each posted video!

Here is my recorded Google Meet.